From WhiteGold-d-owner 03 Jun 96 04:04:03 -0500 remote from zz.com Received: zz.com (digest proc); 03 Jun 96 04:04:03 -0500 Date: 03 Jun 96 04:04:03 -0500 From: WhiteGold-d-owner@zz.com Reply-To: WhiteGold@zz.com Subject: White Gold Forum Digest To: WhiteGold@zz.com White Gold Forum Digest 03 Jun 96 04:04:03 -0500 Today's Topics: WhtGld: Additional Kervran Information WhtGld: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies WhtGld: Tinnitus, an awakening side effect. WhtGld: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies WhtGld: Tests and Measurements WhtGld: Acemannan WhtGld: Tests and Measurements WhtGld: Tests and Measurements This is the White Gold Forum Digest. It is posted by moderator request. Reply to: WhiteGold@zz.com zz.com originates in White To Join: WhiteGold-d-request@zz.com Fort Lauderdale FL USA Gold To Leave: WhiteGold-d-quit@zz.com via midnight!east BBS Forum Moderator: binga@zz.com sysadmin: zz@zz.com (c)1996 -=-=- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:58:28 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Additional Kervran Information Subj: Additional Kervran Information From: Ed hamerstrom For James Mann and others I can offer more tidbits on Kervran. He produced five books in French in the 1960s, mainly; one of my great unanswered questions is why didn't Rodale Press or someone in the English-speaking world discover and publicize his work? The world might be much different now. There are two English books, each with the title "Biological Transmutations" but different. The first, edited by Michel Abehsera, was published in 1971, went out of print, and has been republished by Happiness Press, PO Box DD, Magalia, CA 95954. Abehsera combined material from several of Kervran's books with the intent of making a reasonably simple and accessible story of his discoveries. The other BT was a translation by Graham Lockwood of one of Kervran's five books. It was published in the UK and more recently is available in the US from Beekman Publishers, Box 888, Woodstock, NY 12498 (914-679-2300). Both books are great! They show dozens of carefully observed phenomena from nature where it is obvious that somehow, plants and animals are able to transmute elements. Usually they add or subtract 1 or 8 (hydrogen or oxygen), that is, #11, sodium, can go to 12, magnesium, or 19, potassium. No one could explain what was happening at the cellular level chemically, but it was obvious that somehow the transmutations do happen. Kervran observed that he was making a paradigm change: previous chemistry had minutely detailed the phenomena of chemistry of "dead" matter, but his transmutations were a chemistry phenomena only of living cells, and killing them in order to do regular chemistry analysis killed the phenomena as well. One of Kervran's French books shows cases of transmutations caused by geological activity such as very high pressure and heat. Happiness Press also has republished a book "Continuous Creation" by Louis Bromfield or Branfield (sorry, I don't have a copy, but I proofread it for them a few years ago) - which is as exciting and radical as Kervran, but goes into more general theory of how atoms absorb light as in cosmic radiation and step up in vibration and transmute. Kervran's BT phenomena so far seem to have had the most practical importance for agronomists. There is a magazine "Acres USA", rather radical and organic in philosophy, that maintains a lot of interest in the subject, according to what I have heard. In general, Kervran's BTs are like the UFOs of chemistry - a subject utterly shunned by the mainstream. When you consider that any given plant needs what, a dozen or more elements to be available if it is to grow up from seed, how could it expect to find all of them present, especially in sandy or rocky places? It's logical that evolutionary processes would create enzymatic ways of changing what's there to what the plant needs. I've often thought of having a Biological Transmutations web page and selling the books mentioned above. Maybe someone else will? Ed hamerstrom metasyn@aol.com -=-=- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:58:32 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies Subj: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies From: No Sig Line > The ICP-MS Analysis is used to detect non-monatomic elements. The monatomic > elements are found through laser spectrophotometric analysis and > neutron activation. This is believe to be a better form of analysis than > the older 300 second burn method. Please explain this further because David Hudson claims that neutron activation does not detect monatomics (from the dallas transcript): > Even neutron activation, the most sophisticated > analytical tool available to science, is based on > exciting the nucleus by sending a neutron into the > nucleus and exciting it to high-spin state or a high > energy state and then reading the emission that > comes out of it when it drops back down. But this > is already in the high-spin state and it's happy in > the high-spin state and it doesn't want to come out > of the high-spin state. So the neutron doesn't read > anything. It's invisible to neutron activation. And I also haven't seen any claims that laser spectrophotometric analysis will detect monatomic elements. Is there any independent research backing that up? I'm seeing lots of claims made and lots of sci-babble tossed about but I'm not seeing any evidence of hard science to back it up. -=-=- Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:58:38 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Tinnitus, an awakening side effect. Subj: Tinnitus, an awakening side effect. From: gary Barry Carter wrote: > >You describe the kundalini sound as originating inside your head. >The gentleman Hudson talks about describes the sound as >originating at a point above his head: > >He said, "Dave, the sound seems to originate about 8 inches above >my head, it comes down into my brain, it's like a hat band around >my head, and it just roars here in my head. I can feel the >vibration all through my body". > >Do you have any thoughts about why there is a difference? ----------------------------------------------------------- Dear Barry, I remember the description you are quoting, and noticed this point of dissimilarity too. Im glad you pointed it out. I cant offer a conclusive answer or explanation for you. The best answer will come when those individuals present analyses of their own experiences. However, for the present, I will suggest some ideas that come to mind, as possibilities. Discussion on these lines is useful; it is difficult to explain one aspect of kundalini without touching on others, and this helps to promote a wider understanding of the subject. I *do* know precisely what he means by "like a hat band" around his head; this is a tight, gripping sensation, due to energy congestion around the edge of the sahasrara, or crown chakra, and is very common. It is often strongest along the very top of the jaw muscles, above the ears. The vibrations mentioned are also common to nearly all kundalini awakenings. The experiences involved in Awakening are highly varied. It is hard to overstate this. As you are exposed to more and more accounts of awakening experiences, you will find that there are often as many or more differences as there are similarities. The point of origin for the Nada is a fine example. Please allow me to digress from your question for a moment, to point out some of the fundamental differences in experiences which lie beneath these variations. When a broader understanding is gained, there is less tendency to get tangled up in the bewildering array of symptoms and effects, and making sense of things becomes easier. In my observations, I have noticed that a significant number of awakenings may be roughly classed into two groups. The distinguishing factor between the two groups is in the method used to effect the awakening, which seems to have a modest statistical influence on the progress and development of events and experiences throughout the awakening process. I have not actually been compiling statistics on these, but there does seem to be a slight recognizable trend emerging. On the other hand however, I am not aware of any Masters who have made this specific generalization, and that may indicate that doing so is not particularly useful. But I shall use it here for illustration. In one group, spontaneous awakenings and shaktipat awakenings seem to share or outline a trend toward similarity in the character, tone, and sequence of awakening experiences. [Shaktipat, refers to an impulse of energy, transferred to an individual by someone with kundalini already actively functioning; if the recipient is sufficiently close to the point of a natural or spontaneous awakening, shaktipat can then serve to instigate a self-sustaining awakening. Otherwise the effects of shaktipat fade away, as imparted energy dissipates.] The other group includes awakenings effected through means such as directed meditation, pranayama, and other yogic practices. Awakening kundalini by these methods is comparatively rare, in relation to other types of awakening, particularly in the West. Classifying awakenings like this can only be done in very general terms; there are lots of exceptions where this scheme does not hold. The experiences Dave has related of a few individuals taking monatomics appear to fall in with the first group; my awakening method, pranayama, is in the latter group. In general, satisfying demands of the karmic burden seems to be delayed to later stages of the awakening, for the first group. In some cases I am aware of, very little karma had to be dealt with until after the first stage of enlightenment had been achieved, by which I mean establishing a conscious link with the higher self. Because the individual then acquires an entirely different point of view, a detached-observer perspective, as well as conscious access to the higher self, the individual is better able to weather the negative aspects of karma dissipation. Awakenings in the second group may be generally noted to more typically involve settling up the balance sheets of karma in the early stages of the experience. There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. The first group is without doubt the most suited for any large scale movement towards awakening, such as is now taking place with monatomics. If there is any legitimacy to the classification system I have described, the spiritual impetus behind the monatomic movement is perhaps its strongest and best argument in evidence. Returning to the issue of the supra-cranial vs intra-cranial origins of Nada, it appears that the individual Dave is describing may be in the first "group", based on his experience descriptions. The nature of the Nada he is experiencing, may be a characteristic of this "class" of awakenings. One form of the Nada which is frequently described by individuals undergoing an awakening is a humming sound, which can be approximated by imagining the sound heard by listening to a beehive; the sound made by a large number of bees using their wings to circulate air through the hive. It is sometimes also compared to the hum of big power transformer, but this is not as close. It is a pleasant, warm, comfortable-feeling sound. This Nada is more often associated with the first "group" of awakenings. We might speculate that this is representative of what Dave's friend hears. I experienced such humming, only as an occassional sound during awakening. Others sounds included beautiful mystical sounds like tinkling glass wind chimes; short, immensely loud discordant blasts, like the powerful, loud BUZZZ you get when a microphone jack is only part-way plugged into a PA system; and on a few occasions, something resembling the sound of monks chanting, and lonely sounds of wind wailing over a desolate landscape. One of the most common ones was clicking, which sounded exactly like the sound of crickets clicking. There were others that are more difficult to characterize. All these sounds tended to be brief, particularly the more pleasant ones. It is not in keeping with the intent of paying off ones karmic debt in a direct fashion to expect to have much pleasantness bestowed upon one. On those occassions when I experienced humming, a lot of other things were going on, and I did not make any careful observations on how the sound was being produced, where it was coming from, and so on. During those, and similar auditory experience events, I was focused on other things, and not paying particular attention on determining the apparent location of the sounds. I do not have a very clear recollection today, except that some of the sounds were "outside" of my head, or externalized, though still in immediate vicinity. Since I am still in an elementary stage of progress, perhaps I will be able to refine my observations further at a later time. Gary -=-=- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:06:24 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies Subj: Determining Monoatomic Anatomies From: Joe Champion THE FOLLOWING PERSON WROTE THE FOLLOWING ASKING AN INPORTANT QUESTION WHICH I WILL ANSWER. TO UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER, I WILL REPEAT THE QUESTION. JOE CHAMPION _____ > >> The ICP-MS Analysis is used to detect non-monatomic elements. The monatomic >> elements are found through laser spectrophotometric analysis and >> neutron activation. This is believe to be a better form of analysis than >> the older 300 second burn method. > >Please explain this further because David Hudson claims that neutron >activation does not detect monatomics (from the dallas transcript): > > Even neutron activation, the most sophisticated > > analytical tool available to science, is based on > > exciting the nucleus by sending a neutron into the > > nucleus and exciting it to high-spin state or a high > > energy state and then reading the emission that > > comes out of it when it drops back down. But this > > is already in the high-spin state and it's happy in > > the high-spin state and it doesn't want to come out > > of the high-spin state. So the neutron doesn't read > > anything. It's invisible to neutron activation. > >And I also haven't seen any claims that laser spectrophotometric >analysis will detect monatomic elements. Is there any independent >research backing that up? > >I'm seeing lots of claims made and lots of sci-babble tossed about >but I'm not seeing any evidence of hard science to back it up. > The hard science exists, but the answer is not what some wish to hear. When David started his work some +16 years ago he met a man named Zig Bremmer. Mr. Bremmer has a laboratory in Scottsdale Arizona known as BTC, or Bremmer Technologies Corporation (Telephone: 602-948-2876). Mr. Bremmer owns and operates a Direct Coupled Plasma system (DCP). In this process you take a sample and subject it to a carbon arc. When the sample starts to volatize, emission lines (light) from the sample become evident from falling electrons into lower levels of the atom. Each element has it's own characteristics. That is to say, that the speed of which these electrons change orbits creates different wavelengths of light. This is the most simplistic explanation behind the principle of emission spectroscopy. In the case of DCP, the results are more qualitative, than quantitative. Why? For the amount of light produced from a DCP is proportional to the energy applied to the arc. In this case energy is a functions of watts x seconds. To quantitize, you must establish a standard and place the same quantum of energy to it as the unknown. In the case of DCP, this is, at best, extremely difficult. Continuing, the DCP operated by Mr. Bremmer has fixed slits to measure different light frequencies. If you remember, one of David's first findings was the appearance of iridium during a 300 second burn. Here's the punch line, the longer a sample burns the higher the intensity of light due to the total energy (also a function of conductivity). Again, this being said, Mr. Bremmer was aware that if you burn certain samples which contained silver for an extended time (300 seconds) you would see iridium! Mr. Bremmer showed this technique to David and explained it as his "cluster theory." David was convinced that something was going on and developed his separate theories which evolved into the "monoatomic." But here is the facts, Mr. Bremmer was (and for that matter I think still is) using the wavelength of 3513.65 angstroms to measure the peak of iridium. When strongly excited, silver has a peak at 3513.38 angstroms. During the increased burn cycle (the 300 seconds) the peak of the silver would "bloom" and enter the window of the iridium. I presented this finding to Mr. Bremmer in January 1995 and David later in the same year. This is not an unusual occurrence and not the only reason for false readings. Allow me to say that I do not make these statements lightly, nor without proof. I have certified assays from Mr. Bremmer that states that samples of pure 99.9% silver contain greater than 3.0% iridium. I can support any challenge in this arena. Assays of this type has cost unsuspected investors millions of dollars from Mr. Bremmer. If you call him, he has a bigger machine in Germany which will produce macro quantities of precious metals. Yes, of course, it is a prototype and costs a great deal of money. I have not mentioned this fact to the public forum, for I was hoping that David would do so first. He has spent enormous energies in this field, and as a person I have great respect for his driving energies. In respect to rhodium or any of the other metals, this is a trait of the instrument! However, when someone asks a sincere question, an answer is deserved!! As far as neutron activation, David's answer is poppy-cock. Neutron activation means that high energy neutrons are sent into an extremely small sample. When this occurs the normally non-radioactive isotopes of the elements present, become radioactive (by the absorbtion of an excess neutron) . The instrument then monitors their radiation decay. It does not matter what spin state the element might (or for tha matter, might not) be in. It will be become radioactive. The amount of radiation depends on several known facets, with one of the most important being, the known thermal nuclear cross section of the targeted elements isoptope(s). For those wishing a more technical answer, please reply to the forum, or email me direct. Joe Champion discpub@netzone.com http://www.netzone.com/~discpub -=-=- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:06:41 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Tests and Measurements Subj: Tests and Measurements From: No Sig Line >Subj: Re: Introduction >From: Ian Kelley > >As a supplier and long-time consumer of EG I have personal experience with >the testing methodologies involved in the EG assay process. This is the first >time i've heard of this effect from EG. It is true, however, that EG does >cause a detox period in some people. After which, they begin to feel the >positive effects. > >>"I received some literature from Etherium Technologies that referred to >>a Metals analysis. The title was ICP-MS analysis. This is an emission >>spectraphotometric / mass detection method that David Hudson said would not >>detect monoatomic elements, therefore this analysis detects "standard >>state" or non monoatomic elements. On this paper there are 70 metals among >>which are: Lead 17.1ppm, Lanthanum 19.9ppm, Thorium 9.94ppm, Uranium >>2.16ppm, Nickel 1.55ppm, Chromium 80.6ppm, Vanadium 197ppm, Aluminum >>65400ppm, Manganese 18.6ppm, Gallium 8.53ppm, Arsenic 1.32ppm, Copper >>13.7ppm, Rubidium 76.2ppm, Strontium 76.3ppm, Yttrium 5.71ppm, Zirconium >>38.5ppm, Niobium 12ppm, Titanium 2790ppm. These are but a few of the most >>abundant elements. Thorium, I know for a fact, can decay into Radon gas, >>Uranium can cause cancer inside a body as a permanent alpha emitter, Nickel >>can cause Cancer at concentrations as low as 2ppm." > >The ICP-MS Analysis is used to detect non-monatomic elements. The monatomic >elements are found through laser spectrophotometric analysis and >neutron activation. This is believe to be a better form of analysis than >the older 300 second burn method. > >>"I recently attended a sales gathering with a rep. (distributor) from >>Etherium technologies. When asked about the large amounts of heavy metals >>in the Etherium Gold ( and also Isis products), the rep stated that the >>naturally occuring heavy metals were needed for brain, nerve, as well as >>other fxns in trace amounts, and were preferable to the purified "David >>Hudson" monoatomic elements. He went on to say that the person David >>Hudson turned on to the purified monoatomics was reclusive and slightly >>psycho. I can find a seam of pitchblende (uranium ore) that occurs >>naturally, but it would make my inside glow. Shouldn't Etherium Gold & Isis >>products be extracted and purified of heavy metals, except for monoatomics, >>before being sold to people?" > >A full range of radiation tests are done on Etherium products, all are >negative. You will find more of the offending elements you mention in a >hamburger or fried chicken than in months of use of EG. I have personally >been taking this product, there are others who've been taking it (in fairly >large doses) for years and years with NO negative effects. There is truly >no chance of toxicity with this substance. All necessary testing has been >done (and then some ) > >Thanks... >-- >Ian Kelley (iank@teleport.com) >ONE Enterprises hompeage (http://www.teleport.com/~iank) >PO BOX 604 Newport, OR 97365 >Voice- 503.265.3075 >FAX - 503.265.8680 > > >-=-=- The three statements Of Ian Kelley's that I have question with are the statements about the testing methods that Etherium Techologies use and the fact that more offending elements in a hamburger or fried chicken than Etherium Gold and that there is no chance of toxicity . First, the ICP-MS or Inductively Coupled Plasma/ Mass Spectrophotometry method measures regular elements emission spectra as well as their masses. There would be a different electronic signature (emission spectra) with an altered electron shell configuration (orbitally rearranged monoatomic element ORMES), and moreover,the statement of Ian Kelley's regarding ICP-MS reaffirms my first statement, that ICP-MS measures regular elements, and that it takes Laser spectroscopy and nuclear activation to determine ORMES (possibly a question there). Therefore, the amount and state of the elements (nonmonoatomic) that I quoted from the ICP-MS analysis is correct according to Etherium Technology's information. Secondly, can Ian Kelley prove the analysis for hamburger or fried chicken to contain less heavy metals than EG. I'll not get into that one. Thirdly,is all the necessary testing that could be done truly done? How can that statement be substantiated? Can Ian prove empirically that no toxic effects from the non-monoatomic lead, uranium, thorium, etc..contained in Etherium Gold be observed? This is not a question left up to someone that thinks that it is o.k. to ingest a product. The side effects from ingesting various heavy metal are well known and documented. I really just want to know if the tests that sales people and reps from Etherium Technologies are speaking of are truly going to give me an answer as to the amount of Monoatomic and non-monoatomic elements in Etherium Gold? Which is Which? Does David Hudson substantiate the laser spectroscopy and neutron activation for ORMES deterination. I believe that I heard in the David Hudson Dallas tape that neutron activation could not determine monoatomic elements. I may be wrong about that one. I my arguments above, I only mean to have clarification, and I will accept real substantiated claims. I leave open the possibility Etherium Gold being non toxic if it can be substantiated. But, my original question stands. Shouldn't Etherium Gold & Isis products be extracted and purified of heavy metals, except for monoatomics, before being sold to people? -=-=- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:07:14 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Acemannan Subj: Acemannan From: Sara Q. Smith >> Dennis C. Lee asks: Is there an optimum method of ingesting Acemannan? Hello, I have heard Dr. H. Reg McDaniels, listed along with Dr. Robert MacAnnaley on the Acemannan patent, that Acemannan is the veternary, injectable form of this stablized aloe. I heard one of the doctors, who is listed on the patent that Acemannan is the form of this stablized aloe that is for veterinary use, and is injected. I -assume- that if you ingested Acemannan, you would lose most of the effects, because of the digestion process. These polymannans are derived from Aloe high in 'metals that you don't see anywhere else' -that's a quote from the other doctor who is on the patent. They are grown organically on the volcanic soil of Costa Rica. There is an ingestable form of Acemannan and it is called Manapol (tm) it is high in monoatomic Rhodium too, 90% by weight, according to David Hudson's table. ??How do you figure out if something is monoatomic? -Sara Q. Smith 73521.3045@compuserve.com -=-=- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:27:44 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Tests and Measurements Subj: Tests and Measurements From: Ian Kelley > The three statements Of Ian Kelley's that I have question with are the >statements about the testing methods that Etherium Techologies use and the >fact that more offending elements in a hamburger or fried chicken than >Etherium Gold and that there is no chance of toxicity . > First, the ICP-MS or Inductively Coupled Plasma/ Mass >Spectrophotometry method measures regular elements emission spectra as well >as their masses. There would be a different electronic signature (emission >spectra) with an altered electron shell configuration (orbitally rearranged >monoatomic element ORMES), and moreover,the statement of Ian Kelley's >regarding ICP-MS reaffirms my first statement, that ICP-MS measures regular >elements, and that it takes Laser spectroscopy and nuclear activation to >determine ORMES (possibly a question there). Therefore, the amount and >state of the elements (nonmonoatomic) that I quoted from the ICP-MS >analysis is correct according to Etherium Technology's information. > > Secondly, can Ian Kelley prove the analysis for hamburger or fried >chicken to contain less heavy metals than EG. I'll not get into that one. I don't happen to have hard proof on hand. This is something I've heard from more nutririonists than I'd care to think about. In any case, even the FDA will tell you that none of the elements in EG are in toxic levels. > I really just want to know if the tests that sales people and reps >from Etherium Technologies are speaking of are truly going to give me an >answer as to the amount of Monoatomic and non-monoatomic elements in >Etherium Gold? Which is Which? Everything on the TCP-MS anal. is non-monatomic. EG contains the following elements in monatomic form: The following results obtained through laser spectrophotometric analysis and neutron activation. _________________________________ Gold- 94ppm Silver- 178ppm Rhodium- 15ppm Iridium- 24ppm Platinum-78ppm Chromium-225ppm _________________________________ > Does David Hudson substantiate the laser spectroscopy and neutron >activation for ORMES deterination. I believe that I heard in the David >Hudson Dallas tape that neutron activation could not determine monoatomic >elements. I may be wrong about that one. > I my arguments above, I only mean to have clarification, and I will >accept real substantiated claims. I leave open the possibility Etherium >Gold being non toxic if it can be substantiated. > But, my original question stands. Shouldn't Etherium Gold & Isis >products be extracted and purified of heavy metals, except for monoatomics, >before being sold to people? Actually it turns out, or so I've heard, that the 300 sec burn method will actually show a higher content of certain monatomics than is actually there. Thanks... -- Ian Kelley (iank@teleport.com) ONE Enterprises hompeage (http://www.teleport.com/~iank) PO BOX 604 Newport, OR 97365 Voice- 503.265.3075 FAX - 503.265.8680 -=-=- Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:27:47 -0400 From: binga@zz.com Subject: WhtGld: Tests and Measurements Subj: Tests and Measurements From: Joe Champion Correction to statements made in the following: At 10:06 AM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote: >Subj: Tests and Measurements >From: No Sig Line > >>Subj: Re: Introduction >>From: Ian Kelley >> >>As a supplier and long-time consumer of EG I have personal experience with >>the testing methodologies[snip.....] >>>"I received some literature from Etherium Technologies that referred to >>>a Metals analysis. The title was ICP-MS analysis. This is an emission >>>spectraphotometric / mass detection method that David Hudson said would not >>>detect monoatomic elements, therefore this analysis detects "standard >>>state" or non monoatomic elements. On this paper there are 70 metals among >>>which are: Lead 17.1ppm, Lanthanum 19.9ppm, Thorium 9.94ppm, Uranium >>>2.16ppm, Nickel 1.55ppm, Chromium 80.6ppm, Vanadium 197ppm, Aluminum >>>65400ppm, Manganese 18.6ppm, Gallium 8.53ppm, Arsenic 1.32ppm, Copper >>>13.7ppm, Rubidium 76.2ppm, Strontium 76.3ppm, Yttrium 5.71ppm, Zirconium >>>38.5ppm, Niobium 12ppm, Titanium 2790ppm. These are but a few of the most >>>abundant elements. Thorium, I know for a fact, can decay into Radon gas, >>>Uranium can cause cancer inside a body as a permanent alpha emitter, Nickel >>>can cause Cancer at concentrations as low as 2ppm." >> >>The ICP-MS Analysis is used to detect non-monatomic elements. The monatomic >>elements are found through laser spectrophotometric analysis and >>neutron activation. This is believe to be a better form of analysis than >>the older 300 second burn method. [snip.....] >>Thanks... >>-- >>Ian Kelley (iank@teleport.com) >>ONE Enterprises hompeage (http://www.teleport.com/~iank) >>PO BOX 604 Newport, OR 97365 >>Voice- 503.265.3075 >>FAX - 503.265.8680 >> >> >>-=-=- > > The three statements Of Ian Kelley's that I have question with are the >statements about the testing methods that Etherium Techologies use and the >fact that more offending elements in a hamburger or fried chicken than >Etherium Gold and that there is no chance of toxicity . > > First, the ICP-MS or Inductively Coupled Plasma/ Mass >Spectrophotometry method measures regular elements emission spectra as well >as their masses. There would be a different electronic signature (emission >spectra) with an altered electron shell configuration (orbitally rearranged >monoatomic element ORMES), and moreover,the statement of Ian Kelley's >regarding ICP-MS reaffirms my first statement, that ICP-MS measures regular >elements, and that it takes Laser spectroscopy and nuclear activation to >determine ORMES (possibly a question there). Therefore, the amount and >state of the elements (nonmonoatomic) that I quoted from the ICP-MS >analysis is correct according to Etherium Technology's information. > >[snip.....] There exist fundamental errors by both in the above. First, in measurements an ICP/MS is an inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometer. It does not read electron emission lines, for that instrument is am ICP/ES (emission spectrometer). The purpose of a mass spectrometer is entirely different than an emission spectrometer. To explain, there are 110 elements that are known to exist, with 87 of these elements found in nature. These elements have different atomic mass which is the sum of the neutrons and protons within the nucleus. Several elements share the same mass number, hence an ICP/MS can not always define which element is present, only the mass. Computer analysis of the mass data provides what one would call a "best guess" as to the elements present based on known levels of natural abundance. Forgetting the spin state, if mass 103 enters the ICP/MS it will be recognized as 103. Of course, if you add 45 protons and 58 neutrons you have 103. This is the same as 45Rh103, or rhodium. The same is true for mass 197 or 79Au197, or gold. A mass spec will not tell you if you have an energetic ORME (if such exists), but will sure tell you if the nucleus of the rhodium is present. In digestion of the above compound, BEWARE!! Within the human body, lead is a cumulative poison. It has been outlawed numerous cases and compounds that have greater than 1 ppm is now considered to be toxic. Joe Champion discpub@netzone.com http://www.netzone.com/~discpub -=-=- End of White Gold Forum Digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=- Reply to: WhiteGold@zz.com zz.com originates in White To Join: WhiteGold-d-request@zz.com Fort Lauderdale FL USA Gold To Leave: WhiteGold-d-quit@zz.com via midnight!east BBS Digest Moderator: binga@zz.com sysadmin: zz@zz.com (c)1996